# Hacker News ranking

> Hacker News ranks its front page by dividing a story's points by a power of its age, so new stories rise fast and every story sinks as hours pass.

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## Race to the front page

*Interactive, play it in a browser: https://shapelessai.com/vizipedia/hacker-news-ranking#race-to-the-front-page*

## The gravity formula

The HN FAQ says the basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted [1]. In 2010 Paul Graham posted the code then running: points minus one, raised to 0.8, divided by the age in hours plus two, raised to a gravity of 1.8 [2][3][4]. The often quoted (P−1)/(T+2)^1.8 is the version he called close to the current one, but a little out of date [5]. Compare [[Reddit hot ranking]], which adds time instead of dividing by it.

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1. [Hacker News FAQ](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) "The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted." (quote found)
2. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "gravity* 1.8 timebase* 120" (quote found)
3. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "(if (> base 0) (expt base .8) base)" (quote found)
4. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "(expt (/ (+ (item-age s) timebase*) 60) gravity)" (quote found)
5. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "That's close to the current version, but a little out of date." (quote found)

## Penalties and flags

Votes and age are not the whole story. The FAQ lists user flags, anti-abuse software, software that demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action [1], and says you can't derive rank from votes and time alone [2]. In the 2010 code a post with no URL was multiplied by 0.4 [3], and a controversy factor was there, in Graham's words, to recognize flamewars [4]. Karma does not help: posts by high-karma users do not rank higher [5].

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1. [Hacker News FAQ](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) "Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action." (quote found)
2. [Hacker News FAQ](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) "You can't derive rank from votes and time alone." (quote found)
3. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "(blank s!url) nourl-factor*" (quote found)
4. [Paul Graham's comment with the ranking code (Hacker News, October 2010)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013) "Its purpose is to recognize flamewars." (quote found)
5. [Hacker News FAQ](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) "Do posts by users with more karma rank higher? No." (quote found)

## Show HN

Show HN is for something you've made that other people can play with; blog posts, sign-up pages and newsletters are off topic [1][2]. Every Show HN appears on the shownew list, and once it clears a small points threshold it also appears on the show page in the top bar [3]. Asking friends to upvote is not ok [4], and HN penalizes or bans submissions, accounts and sites that do it [5].

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1. [Show HN Guidelines (Hacker News)](https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html) "Show HN is for something you've made that other people can play with." (quote found)
2. [Show HN Guidelines (Hacker News)](https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html) "Off topic: blog posts, sign-up pages, newsletters, lists, and other reading material." (quote found)
3. [Show HN Guidelines (Hacker News)](https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html) "Once it clears a small points threshold, it will appear on the show page in the top bar." (quote found)
4. [Show HN Guidelines (Hacker News)](https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html) "Please don't ask friends to upvote or comment." (quote found)
5. [Hacker News FAQ](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) "We penalize or ban submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule" (quote found)

## The formula and a day of decay

*Figure: https://shapelessai.com/vizipedia/hacker-news-ranking#the-formula-and-a-day-of-decay*